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CASE #: 347/DD5441, Madeleine McCann, page 18 (still missing)

 

11.3.2007

Thank you, Brian.

 I also had more visions the last 2 nights regarding Madeleine. I saw a black woman, about 50 to 60 years old, heavy set with shorter hair. She was talking but I couldn't make out what she was saying. I got the feeling that Madeleine was near her, and other people were there as well. I feel she is somehow taking care of Madeleine. 

The next vision involved a black man wearing purple and silver and similar to a previous vision I had. He was smiling and moving in slow motion. He was about 60 to 70 years old and I felt that many people look to him as some kind of spiritual guide. I have the feeling that this man engages in some kind of voodoo or witchcraft. I believe this is directly related to Madeleine somehow and that she is part of some kind of ritual.

Does this mean anything to anyone out there?

Thank you,

Stacy

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Hi Stacy, not to me, but will post this.

Brian


Hi Brian,

This may sound like a strange question, but when you see this underground room and when you saw the building that looked like an apartment complex and the room that looked out through large windows (I think this was where you mentioned seeing a computer) ..... who are you? Who's eyes are you looking through? Do you know?

What do you feel? What do you smell? What do you hear? What do you sense/know?

If you try to forget all that has been posted on your website and look at your dreams again...... Look at them as if you knows nothing more than that a young girl called Madeleine McCann has gone missing.

If you go back to each dream that you believe to be related, what emotions are evoked? If you touch the screen or hold a printout of the dream between your hands it might help. Don't think about your responses - just let them flow. It's sometimes very difficult to do this alone because things get forgotten so quickly that it may help if you have someone with you to write things down for you - or else record your responses. If you feel nothing - let it go and move on.

If it feels too difficult to do all of this for this case - go off and do it with another case.

Don't ask me why I am suggesting you do this, I just feel that it's something you need to try.

Love, light and blessings

Morag

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Hi Morag...I think its a good question.

Most of the time I feel noting looking at my DD's...I think the computer was in a hotel room, not the concrete room.

When I have a repeated dreams I do sometimes remember what the dream felt like...I do not think I'm looking through anyone's eyes, I'm just there.  Usually it's flashes of images and the feelings most of the time come from my chest area (usually warm or cold feelings are common)

When I go back and look at past DD's, most of the time I get nothing...this is the reason why so many times I print out past DD's and sleep with them under my pillow...and it does work.

Many psychics are able to touch a picture, or look at a map and feel and see things I can only do in my dreams...this is why I do not consider myself a psychic.

Again, I think I tap into something called universal consciousnes...and that we all are able to do this when were are not having dreams related to our daily life.

This is why meditation and clearing ones mind before sleep is so important, and why I try and forget previous dreams.

I have the most control when I first wake up in the morning...basically I just stay asleep and control my dreams....people trend to call this lucid dreaming.

An example of the things I feel in my dreams would be similar to what people call the feeling of true love...and to many, that emotion alone is very hard to describe.

Sometimes I think it would be better if I could use facial expressions to describe how I feel, but not sure how I could incorporate this into my DD's.

There has to be a reason why humans have so many muscles in the face compared to the rest of the animal world.  I actually think that our learned language gets in the way many times when were are trying to express our true feelings or emotions.   We are taught language, but we are born with the ability to communicate using just our facial muscles...anyway, just my own opinion.

Brian

PS...as an example...look at the way I type my thoughts on this site, look at all the spelling and grammar issues I have...many people just reading what I have to say, never get to know the real me...some even think I'm 10 years old...some discredit everything I have to say just because of this :)


Hi, Brian

As someone has already correctly mentioned, this is the meaning of a butterfly tattoo when used by criminals:

Russian Prison Tattoos and the Thieves Code

Butterflies - show the wearer is trustworthy, and an escape artist.

Link:http://hoovaloo.com/2007/10/02/russian-prison-tattoos-and-the-thieves-code/


Also, a "night butterfly" or "a butterfly of the night" in Russian slang means "a prostitute" (I don't know whether it is relevant in this case, but just in case). In this case a man or a woman could have one.

I your latest MM DD # 6128  it looks like you drew two Sun crosses/Odin's crosses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_cross
 

The sun cross, a cross inside a circle, is one of the oldest and most universal religious symbols, and a popular neopagan solar symbol. It is also known as the suncross, solar cross, sun wheel, sunwheel, sun disc

In neopaganism, the terms sun cross and sun wheel are sometimes also used to refer to swastikas, fylfots and Celtic crosses, understood as cognate symbols.

 

Neopaganism

Along with other ancestral symbols, the sun cross is also used as a symbol by Heathens and Asatru adherents in particular as an attempt at reconstruction of ancient Germanic and Slavic (Native Polish Church) pre-Christian religion and culture.

Known as Odin’s Cross (Celtic in origin) and represents international white pride. 

Popularized by the KKK in the 1920’s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_cross

These are also used as prison tattoos and to show affiliation/beliefs.

This might be another puzzle piece as to who is behind it.

Hope this helps.

I am still astonished at the detail in the butterfly tattoo in your DDs! What a gift you have.

Thank you!

Natasha

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Thanks Natasha...will post this.

Brian


11.4.2007

Hi there:)

I've taken out the reference to Madeleine's case because I wanted to make a couple of general comments.

With regard to the room that you are seeing & describing. What makes you think that it is associated with Murat? Once again, playing devil's advocate, I can see no evidence from your dreams that the two are linked...... this is why I suggested going back to basics and trying to take away any assumptions that you may have had. Y'know, trying to add all the bits together and trying to make 2 + ? = 4).

If you are getting "knowings" as well as dreams - then try to describe the feelings that are evoked.... even if it's difficult and even if you retain these records for your eyes only. Once again, I would suggest that you try really hard not to make assumptions.

I have had, what I refer to as my "picture shows" and 'knowings" for as long as I remember. For a long time they left me feeling confused, a bit frightened and even a bit angry .... normally because I wanted to see more than just little clips from the movie because I knew that what I was seeing was important. At times, I made assumptions and add in the missing parts to the puzzle .....  At times it even made me feeling as if I was going mad! :) I got to the stage that I knew my life was changing because of everything that was happening - but I didn't know where I was meant to be going.

Like many others, my journey has taken time and it has taken me a long time to stop trying to control things and, instead, simply trust that as long as what I do is for the highest good of myself and others then so be it. It is not my place to question why because if something is meant to happen, it will be so.

You mentioned that you wanted to talk to psychics about the feelings that you cannot put into words. It would appear that there are quite a few readers who would appear to have "gifts" (I really don't like the word psychic) - but that doesn't mean to say that anything that anyone says will make things easier for you. There are presumably many ways to develop one's skills in this area but, ultimately, you have to find your own truth.

One piece of advice I was given, although i didn't really understand it at the time was that I had to get rid of my ego and my teachers would be there when I needed them but it was up to me to learn. 

I've attached another couple of things that you may like to have a look at.

Love, light and blessings

Morag

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Thanks Morag,

I agree, I should not make so many assumptions...and in most cases I usually do not.  This case is rather unique, as like it or not, I'm emotionally evolved...as most of my readers are.

I do try and stay neutral, but it does not always work out...I have taken time away from this case...yet I'm not sure if it's helped any.

I do use a voice recorder at night, and if I actually posted the audio it might help convey what I'm feeling in the dream.  However, most of the time my voice is so slow and deep, I can barely understand.

I'm always willing to listen to advise when it comes to anything...but I have learned that doing what others say does not always work. 

Brian


Dear Brian, was working on the church theme but meanwhile found this 
fish in vilamoura.  You mention vilamoura in first dream.  someone 
else spotted a fish theme in your dreams.  can't remember where.

Best wishes,

CL

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Hi, yes, on page 16 or 17 I think.

Brian


When I googled "Butterfly" and "Russian mafia" I also found information about "The Butterfly Project" whch refers to trafficking women out of hte country for prostitution. Some of it was not in english and useles to me and I'm not sure if it has to do with children as well? or if it has to do only with trafficking women out of Russia? I don't know if someone else could find more info. I know someone said, and i found this too, that the butterfly signifies an escape artist. But I'm thinking htere may be more to it than that having read the piece about trafficking. Not really sure though.

 Sara

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Thanks Sara, I have a few readers that speak/read Russian and are looking into it.

Brian


Hi Brian

 So glad to have you back !

 I sent you an email at the time you 'went off air' so I'm sending the information again because it may be important (???).  If you look at the following link apparently there is still a suspicion on Madeleine's parents as to whether they transported her in the hire car.

See this link http://newsdeskspecial.co.uk/madeleinemccann/ the entry for 2 November :

 November 02, 2007

"McCanns under suspicion again

Forensic report goes to Portuguese police

Fresh laboratory results that allegedly link Kate and Gerry McCann to the disappearance of their daughter were today handed over to the Portuguese police by British forensic scientists. Although the investigation team hasn’t released any statements, leaked reports claim the evidence consists of traces of Madeleine’s hair and bodily fluid found in the car the McCanns hired in the Algarve this summer

The results, which represent three months of British investigative efforts, are said to show that a corpse had been in the car and then subsequently moved. It is also believed that small amounts of Madeleine’s blood were discovered in the Ocean Club apartment in Praia da Luz where the McCanns were staying when Madeleine disappeared May 3.

The McCanns’ spokesman Clarence Mitchell has stated that his clients will cooperate with the police. “Kate and Gerry are entirely innocent and have nothing to hide”, he said. Saturday November 3 will mark six months since Madeleine went missing." 

- I can't get it out my mind, I think I've read somewhere that Robert Murat hired the same car before the McCanns (does anyone else remember this or am I making it up?).

 This is another interesting link (an astrology blog) 

http://collaboratingwithfate.blogspot.com/2007_10_13_archive.html#105303360989636829

 Kathryn Cassidy has plotted a map where she thinks Madeleine will be found (according to astrological information).  The line she plots is very close to Murat's house. 

 The map at the top is a different view of my previous map showing where I think Madeleine is most likely to be found. Click on map to enlarge. The lines have a small amount of leeway and so an orb taking them slightly more NE and East could possibly apply. The yellow line shows another direction from Madeleine's birthchart. One of my colleagues has had success with this method with missing people so I've added it in. This runs NNE/NE

 She also talks about Madeleine in her entry for 1st November :

 McCANNS, MARS & MURAT

Someone insulted our intelligence last week. If your little girl went missing and your best friend saw someone carrying a small child away in that time window, wouldn't you as a parent be mentioning the description of that person at every opportunity you have - especially if it wasn't just a bog standard description like a blue t-shirt and shorts. Not many people could have been wearing a maroon shirt and yellowy beige trousers that night in a tiny town but I'm sure as hell more likely to remember seeing that person a few days or weeks later, than six whole months down the line.

When there were apparently weeks, if not months, of zero leads and the suspicions were falling on the McCanns WHY wasn't this photofit bandied around at every possible opportunity. I'd be thrusting it into the face of everyone and probably even wearing a T-shirt with an image emblazoned on it until the person was ruled out. The fact that it only surfaced now was the turning point for me. I'm no longer on the fence.

Something absolutely stinks about this saga. I am convinced of the involvement of Murat and if astrology could stand up in court we have him nailed but I cannot rule out the involvement of Murat with some friends of the McCanns (Tanner?) or someone else in the Ocean Club and I also have a feeling about Gerry that simply won't go away. If he's not consciously involved I believe his daughters abduction is the result of something he was up to, or knows about, that he just cannot confess to. I hope I'm wrong about that last bit as if I'm not I'll lose all remaining faith in human decency.

However, Uranus square Gerry's Sun (which is midway between his Mars and Venus) could have him embroiled in some sort of triangle or be the intervener/interloper in another couple's life. As Mars is Maddies abductor and Venus is her (or someone he loves), his Sun is caught firmly in the middle. I'll discuss all the astrology of it at a later date. Meanwhile let's hope the new Police Chief stops the wild goose chases and far out theories and refocuses on the basics; sex, obsession, money and revenge. The poor girl is not alive and between now and Christmas we'll begin to learn much, much more.

If any of those under suspicion are a birthsign Leo or Aquarian I'd be keen to know.

 Hope you find this of interest.

 Regards 

Christine

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Hi Christine, we did check on that and he did not rent the same car, but the PJ had plenty of time to do whatever they wanted with the car the McCann's did hire.

If British tests do confirm that Madeleine's bodily fluids were in the car, and the amount found could not have come from anywhere else but her, then the PJ will certainly arrest the McCann's.

If they do not, then this will only prove something's seriously wrong with the investigation.

What bothers me is the statement saying the bodily fluids came from a corpse, not a live person.

I wondering if anyone can find out how something like this can be reproduced without actually having a corpse.

Is it possible to lets say grow skin tissue in a lab, then let it die?  Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.

Brian


Hi Brian you are amazing! I read your sight at least 4 times a day. I can't believe how dead on you are on so many occasion. I was so upset when I thought you had given up on what you and so many others know to be the truth, I am so glad you reconcsdred. You have an amazing team behind you, I wish I could offer something more but your faithfuls are  so dead on. Rhon

 P.S.  feel free to post this but not my email address because I don't want all the wierdos.

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Hi, thanks, but I'm not right yet, Madeleine has still not been returned alive yet....and when she is, I hope the same people following this case will move on to others.

Brian


NEUTRALITY:

I wanted to let everyone know that I do try my best to post emails for all points of view...and I'm not censoring or selecting what emails I post on this case...if I feel that your email is important...I will post it...regardless of what I think. Since the beginning, approximately 50% of the emails related to this case have been anti-McCann.  I have chosen not to post most of them because of their content and the fact that they were not constructive.  Would have, could have, and should have statements really does not help...I'm not saying this is not important, but right not I do not feel it's relevant.  I also did not want this case to turn into another hate filled message board...which there are plenty of from what I have been told.  For this reason, I have maintained control of all email posts.  Everyone also knows my personal feelings on this matter, and I do not think I should have to restate them.  Again, I'm only on one person's side, and would really like to bring this case to a close soon.  I also request a cease of personal attacks on me at this time, as despite me trying to ignore them, it's still affecting my work.  When Madeleine is found, they feel free to attack me, and I will be sure to post  as many of your comments as possible.

Thank You,

Brian


Brian,

I hope this gets through to you as I am using my hotmail address and I know you sometimes have problems receiving hotmail emails. I have tried to e-mail you this message before but not sure if you received it.

Here are some past DDs that I think may be related to this case. After your request I went  through all of your DDs from  Jan 1st 07 until  May 5th 07 and these are the DDs that I think may be of interest. Some have a clearer link to Madeleine than others and I'm not certain if they are all relevant, but I thought I should mention them all the same. I basically went through all the DDs and I made a note of any that 'jumped out at me' and could have a link to Madeleine. I thought it was better to mention them and for them to be discounted than not mention them and find out later that they were important. I haven't done any research into any of these, just followed my instinct, but maybe some fellow readers could investigate further?

5417 - "clean the room she's coming home safe - book, 112, 6, S"

5412 - "19, trail, look here, stream coffee can, 2.6 miles from town"

5390 - "the child you saw at the park is missing -- she look at you for help"

5315 - "973548442 -- 16 - anonymous prayer works / brain call (does this actually say Brian?) - proof is not needed - do not shut down PEAR"

5279 - "3:14 PM the children will be safe SRA 9/4 81 62 467 22 16 - the games were fun, cards with ducks, 28 March --"

5240 - "let he child show you where it is / have her draw where she thinks it is -- go there"

5233 - "DNA is in the pool float -- look - T.L. Police it's still there and can solve the case"

5214 - "Jenny -- he knows, teacher, you did not need to call -- he knows, 4, 9"

5140 - "hotel, 4 = 7, Days Inn - look again"

5108 - "Brian - Mat 23 6 plane thirty six key - read bible"

5103 - I believe this is an house , something is hidden in the floor.

5064 - A dream for a J . Rodriguez (I can make out the words - J. Rodriguez, Jerry, it's time you played, 37 years)

5050 - "394613174749 48 UK SH"

5014 - "fire burns all night, check the trashcan"

5002 - "She's here, foil on window, bed room, white singlewide trailer, floor rotten"

5000 - Three men are planning on disguising a ford van as a ambulance using paint and light from a local salvage yard, they have been attending Sunday service at a nearby Christian Church for 10 weeks now.  I suggest that any salvage yard that's sold ambulance or police lights to anyone, to report it ASAP.

4997 - "2 days, SB, listen 11, blonde hair, R16, 37-144 2-04, safe, made mistakes"

4945 - This is where a missing Florida girl can be found, she is safe.  It also says 2/2007 and I believe this event will not happen until 2/2007. (although to mention Florida in your interpretation - it isn't clear if that it what it actually says - could it be somewhere else? only the letter F is clear. I can make out - playground, girl is safe, look in the wood, 3.1 mile, RS, 36)

4944 - "read what she left to you, she loved you more than life"...something on a bookcase and I think a dairy. (did you mean diary? could this be Kate McCann's diary?)

4939 - "the missing child is here"

4937 - "brain, use the water, iuayte19, c t  tey, ufo R13, bowl, flash of white light, water spring, bowl must be brass, bath town, 217 bev ky, ec" I think this DD is for me, and is telling me to fill a brass bowl with water from the town where I live...I'm assuming I'm going to see a flash of white light...will give it a try, but will have to find a brass bowl.

4931 - "read the bible Brian"

4906 - "She is alive, R"

I hope this helps

Lynsey, UK
 

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Thanks Lynsey for taking the time to do this.

Brian


Hello again,
I re-send my email after your automatic response. I forgot to mark my email with a drawing. The Cross you draw in DD5919, is at the frontdoor of the house of the couple who keeeps Madeleine in Morocco, in a little place wich starts with an E (see my mail beneath). The Cross is a symbol used by the people of Illuminati. The Illuminati people are very active also in Belgium, UK, Ireland, France, Netherlands, Spain and Scotland.
Kind regards,
Anna


Subject: Madeleine McCann
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 13:20:32 +0100

Brian,
I came over your web site yesterday, never heard of you before. I am from a country far north, and have followed and seen the Madeleine-case from the start. Friday 2nd of November, I posted a letter to Mrs & Mrs McCann with information about where Madeleine is . This is from a dream I had at the end of May. I did not want to do this before, because the Portugese police is somehow involved in the case. She is situated in Morocco, and was taken there by boat from the beach near Luz. She is in a huge house made from red bricks, probably a closed down telegraph station,  in a small city which starts with an E, north in Morocco. She has been observed twice - once in Tanger, and once in Marrakech, both times with the woman in her 50ths, with black hair. Its an elderly couple who are keeping her, and their house number is either 217 or 272. They are connected to both the numbers, I think he is some kind of a priest, and there are two houses in the same street and the couple has a link to  both houses. I understand that the McCanns do not want your help, and I am now worried that they will not read my letter. I sent it anonymous, as I always do in such cases. If they only were a little bit more open-minded, or at least, some people around them, Madeleine could be safe home within a week. Why are they so stubborn? Some people think Madeleine is in Ireland or Belgium right now, and thats possible, but her base is in the big house in Morocco. I think she is there now. And safe. And alive. I dont want you to publice my mail. This information is for you. If you have the time, I would be very happy for a reply.
 
Anna

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Thanks Anna, I would suggest you make this public, as it may help.

Brian

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Ok, can you please put in on your web site. I have already posted the letter to the McCanns on Friday, as I told you. I trust you, and hope it can help. Thanks so much for your quick reply, I am  grateful.
Thanks,
Anna

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Done, and thanks for sharing your dream.

Brian



Hi Brian,

I'm soooo glad you're still hanging in there, despite all the negativity being thrown at you... I'm praying for you to have Teflon skin! :)

Now look at this story, you were right on november 1st!

Madeleine police: Seven more weeks and we're giving up

Last updated at 18:00pm on 4th November 2007

Portuguese detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have revealed they plan to close the case by Christmas, it was reported today.

Police have admitted that unless new leads can be found in the coming weeks, the case will be wrapped up and Madeleine's whereabouts will remain a mystery.

A police source told the Sunday Mirror: "There is quite simply no evidence strong enough to use against the McCanns.

"Unless a new piece of evidence falls out of the sky - some good forensics which will tie everything together - the case will be closed in a few weeks without conclusion."

A friend of Kate and Gerry McCann described the move as "the worst thing that could happen" in the hunt to find their daughter.

The couple remain convinced Madeleine was taken alive from their holiday apartment and smuggled into North Africa.

They have employed a private detective agency Metodo 3 to follow up numerous sightings of Madeleine in Morocco.

But with the case closed, a cloud of suspicion would remain hanging over the couple after they were named official suspects in September.

The friend said: "We want to see the police do everything in their power to find Maddie.

"The worst thing that could happen is for the case to close and Gerry and Kate to remain official suspects."

Police believe Gerry and Kate gave their daughter an accidental overdose of sedatives and kept the body in their holiday apartment for over three weeks before moving it in a hire car to be disposed.

To back up their case, police have taken hundreds of DNA samples in the apartment and the hire car used by the McCanns.

But a source close to the private detectives hired by the McCanns claims the samples - which are still being examined by the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham - are heavily contaminated and do not provide reliable evidence in the case.

One forensic officer was reported to have worked on the car even though the plastic gloves he was wearing to protect against contamination split.

Another claim used against the McCanns - the revelation that there was thought to be a bloodied footprint on the rear bumper of the hire car - turned out to be the footprint of an officer.

The footprint was believed to match a similar print discovered in the McCann's apartment.

But the sample sent to Birmingham for tests was shown to match the shoe of a forensic investigator.

The source added: "It beggars belief how incompetently this investigation has been run.

"If it wasn't so serious it would be funny. It's no wonder it has taken so long for the results of forensic tests in the UK to come back."

Greetz,

CC

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Thanks, will post this news report.

Brain


Hi Brian--

I saw your request this morning for corpse DNA simulation info.  I was not able to find anything that stated this is possible.  I did however find a little information in a forum on the Mirror UK (newspaper) site.  Whoever "Beachy" is, they have some clear info put in real terminology, and some relates to "corpse" dna.  Here is the link:

 And the specific paragraph, depending on how much you want to post:

I am receiving questions about the report in the Daily Mail regarding the DNA results. Rather than trying to answer them one by one and possibly dealing with the same question more than once, I thought it better to start a new thread. Anyone interested in the latest DNA reports who has not read the previous thread entitled "DNA - What It Will Tell Us and What It Won't" might consider bringing that up on search and reading it for reference purposes. I decided not to add these questions to that thread as it is already so long and would require considerable scrolling to get to the heart of the matter, i.e., questions relating to the latest report.

Questions:

(1) Do you believe this latest report in the Daily Mail about the DNA is true?

I've no idea whether it is true or not, and I think we should wait for better information before drawing any conclusions. I did not see anything in the Daily Mail article that seemed patently im possible, but there've been so many of these reports now that I feel it's prudent to reserve judgment. This could be nothing more than another "source" looking for his 15 minutes.

(2) The report says there was too much DNA in the hire car for it to have been transferred accidentally. How is it possible to determine that?

The actual quotation in the article is, "Sources also indicate that the volume of material found is too great for it to have been transferred via Madeleine's toys or clothing or from her parents' possessions."

Whilst secondary transfer of DNA is possible, there are situations where common sense would seem to rule out such a scenario. For example, if a towel containing a large amount of dried blood were laid in the boot of a car, one would expect a greater volume of DNA to be transferred to the car's carpeting than one would find if, say, the blood came from a small amount that had dropped onto a parent's clothes whilst he/she was trying to a ssist a child with a nosebleed. This would be a somewhat subjective decision, but there comes a point where it is no longer logical to assume that the volume of DNA found could have fallen off a stuffed animal or out of the band of a hat simply because there is so much of it.

(3) I am sure I recall your saying before that DNA tests will not indicate whether the DNA came from a person living or dead. Yet the article seems to indicate that is precisely what these tests show. Can you explain that?

(Sighs deeply.) The information provided in press reports, including the latest, is not really sufficient to explain it, but I'll have a go. Precisely what the article says is this: "Tests on the bodily fluids found in the hire car are understood to show that they came from a corpse and that the body was moved."

DNA is not like cancer or bacterial cells that one can actually observe growing in a petri dish. All DNA is in a sense "dead," in that it is no longer part of a living cell. If one were to take a cheek swabbing from a hospital patient an hour before he died, another just after death, and sequence the DNA from both, they would look identical.

It is not in looking at the actual DNA itself but in working with the material from which one is attempting to extract it that one can usually tell where it came from. DNA can be extracted from many types of bodily fluids - blood, semen, saliva, fluids that lubricate mucous membranes, etc. - even in some cases from sweat and tears. There have been several previous reports that the DNA found in the boot of the McCanns' hire car came from "corpse fluid" or "decomposition fluids." These are not actual medical terms so far as I am familiar, and it appears that in the interest of remaining civilised, newspaper editors are using them to avoid being too descriptive about the second stage of decomposition, in which tissues begin to liquify, fluid from the lungs comes from the nose and mouth, etc. In the interests of simple decency I am not going into too great detail here, but suffice it is to say that if one were given a sample of dried fluids of this type and told to attempt to extract DNA from them, one would probably know what one was dealing with.

"The body was moved" part I think likely to come not from analysis of DNA itself but from the fact that some substance, probably dirt, was found mixed with the material from which the DNA was extracted.

(4) What does it mean when it says that the tests have produced no evidence to indicate involvement of another person?

It means that no other person's DNA was found in the material from which Madeleine's DNA was obtained. It does not mean that no other person could have been involved in Madeleine's death. To provide a hypothetical example: If someone smothered Madeleine with a pillow whilst wearing gloves and her DNA were obtained from the "decomposition fluids" mentioned above, it is unlikely that her ki ller's DNA would be mixed with hers.

(5) What does it mean when it refers to a "second batch of testing"?

I've two different ideas about this. One is that some results were already completed and possibly forwarded previously to Portugal, where they are being held pending arrival of the remainder of the test results (the "second batch").

The other is that the FSS may be running the DNA analysis multiple times. They are almost surely using low copy number STR analysis in this case, and one can be more confident of the results if the test is run more than once - as a matter of fact, they are almost always repeated and sometimes run three times. This is a laborious, time-consuming, but ultimately quite accurate process (see the thread "DNA - What It Will Tell Us and What It Won't" for a bit of an explanation about how it works.)

(6) The DM report says that the material is being held in the UK in case there are requests for further work to be carried out. What might this be?

I'm guessing here. Perhaps the PJ might ask for the LCN/STR analysis referenced in #5 above to be done one more time to establish a greater degree of accuracy in this extremely high-profile case. Also, if Madeleine's body is eventually found, enough time has elapsed that it would probably be necessary to identify her by DNA analysis; this would presumably also be done by the FSS.

(7) You have always urged caution in interpreting DNA results, but if this report is true, it is damning evidence against the McCanns, is it not?

One must always be cautious in interpreting DNA results, not because they aren't accurate, but because they're just one part of the picture. A perception has arisen in society that DNA is the end-all and be-all of forensics. Well, it's quite good and better than much of what was used in the past, but again, it's just one piece of a puzzle.

What I would say is this: If this report is correct and DNA established to be Madeleine's was indeed found in the hire car, in such amounts that it is not reasonable to conclude that it came from secondary transfer, then the McCanns have a hard job of explaining to do. I'll leave it at that.

We shall see.

 *What is even more interesting to me, the next poster replied to Beachy's post by saying that the key to this situation as it is reported by the media is that "Sources Say" referring to the corpse dna.  Sources could mean anything from a lab worker, a member of the police, a private investigator--we don't know who has said this (do we??) so we don't know if the media censored or skewed anything, or how reliable the info is.    

I am into web sleuthing and research, so please let me know if I can help in that way.  I have tried to dream about this and have reported my dreams to you in the past, but it is really difficult for me to do, and I don't sleep very well while doing it (never falling into deep sleep and waking every 1-2 hours)--and then I don't have or cannot remember the results.  I will say that my first dream (I was awake and zoning though) was of a wall or box shaped room/area with water trickling down the sides, I would imagine like a cave would have??  I don't know how to describe it better.  I am not familiar with an "aquacell", so I am not sure if that is what I saw.   

Take Care,

Tara:)

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Thanks again Tara, have you tied using a image or photo under your pillow?

Brian


http://www.anorak.co.uk/twitterings/177366.html .......Brian this disgusting - but thought you might want to see how low the news get in the UK!!! Hope you and yours are OK....Susanne

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Thanks Susanne...crazy, I did an RV on this case yesterday, again, I do not think this child is Madeleine.

Brian


Hello Brian just found this link … of course don’t know if it is true but here it is:

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/24194/MADELEINE-FARM-TO-BE-SEARCHED-AFTER-NEW-SIGHTINGS

MADELEINE: FARM TO BE SEARCHED AFTER NEW SIGHTINGS

Monday November 5,2007

By Nick Fagge in Karia Ba Mohamed, Morocco

The hunt for Madeleine McCann intensified last night as investigators prepared to search a farm in the Rif Mountains of Morocco.

A “little blonde girl” was said to have been spotted inside the remote walled farming compound outside the town of Karia Ba Mohamed.

Detectives called the sightings “highly credible”. The child was said to be living with an Arab woman of about 40 and a teenage girl.

Teacher Majid Jazouli, 43, told the Daily Express yesterday: “The little blonde girl was seen about a month ago at a farm on the outskirts of Karia. I sent a boy inside the compound to verify it, and he said there was a blonde girl there. I could not go in there myself because I am a stranger and that would be against our culture.”

Mr Jazouli claimed that 15 of his neighbours can back up his story.

Desperate to help find the missing four-year-old girl, he phoned the Madeleine hotline with the information.

Private detectives working for the McCanns are understood to have classed the sightings as “highly credible” and potentially crucial, particularly as they follow other sightings of the youngster entering Morocco from Spain.

But Mr Jazouli said Moroccan police failed to act swiftly to investigate the sightings.

Karia’s police chief insisted his officers had conducted a thorough search of the town’s 2,000 houses and had found nothing.

Commandant Abdul Khalik Houde said: “She is not here. We have checked for her. Why would she be here? We would know if she was. We would have been told.”

Karia Ba Mohamed is a farming town where blonde hair and Western faces are rarely seen.

Mr Houde said everyone in the town of 18,000 inabitants knows each other. However, more than 120,000 people live in the remote communities surrounding it, including many isolated farmhouses.

The police chief said he had a dossier on the search for Madeleine, who went missing from Praia da Luz in Portugal on May 3, aged three, and insisted his officers were “looking for her every day”.

But he said the investigation should focus on her parents. “We have a dossier on her and we have nothing to hide. It is the parents who are hiding things. Why are they not still coming to Portugal to look for their daughter?”

He added: “Morocco doesn’t need this. We have no crime and nothing like this. There are no paedophiles in Morocco.”

The latest breakthrough comes days after a Moroccan woman claimed she saw a little girl with the “mark of Madeleine” getting into a taxi with an Arab woman in the town of Fnidek.

Naoual Malhi, 24, who lives in Malaga, Spain said she was convinced it was Madeleine as the youngster had the distinctive fleck in her eye, where the pupil merges with the blue-green iris. But when she tried to challenge the Arab woman she was forced away.

After that sighting, agents from Spanish investigators Metodo 3 were dispatched to Morocco and posters of missing Madeleine were distributed across the country.

In a rare interview at the weekend, the agency’s managing director Francisco Marco confirmed his belief that Madeleine was abducted and taken to Morocco, .
He told Spanish newspaper La Vanguardia: “A blonde girl like Madeleine is a symbol of social status in Morocco. That is the way it is and I can tell you more,” he said.
Metodo 3 focuses on cases of business fraud but also finds about 300 missing people each year.

Mr Marco added that Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry, of Rothley, Leics, were not involved in her disappearance.

Last week the agency opened a 24-hour hotline to gather information about Madeleine from callers in Spain, Portugal and Morocco.

The agency has 40 people working on the case in Spain and Morocco, and has told the McCanns that it expects to find Madeleine within six months.

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Thanks, and I hope she is there.

Brian


I just saw the last posting by a woman who also had a dream about a house in Morrocco - stating that one of the numbers of the house may be 272 - wasn't that in your original dream?  272?

 

If so, it would be worth getting to the investigating team.

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Yes it was, and thank you.

Brian



 

Dear Brian,

I spent time reading the Isla's document properly from beginning to end line by line (even though its very complex and hard to digest).   

If we are to follow it and believe in its authenticity then we have to face a few things.  

The plain fact that we are dealing with something way above and over our little heads.   IF, this document got leaked onto the net, then there must be is a mole within the government (UK) that needs to be found and dealt with because this sort of info should not (or maybe should) be in a public domain.   As well as explaining a why mm case has become so huge, it does slightly blow the lid on some serous world politics.  This is a matter of UK national security as it clearly stated and am not sure we are equipped to deal with the magnitude of it.  No wonder everyone is so scared including lisbon police.

All of what i write below is based on thinking this document is valid ??- if it transpires that it is not genuine then please disregard what i say below, BUT read on for now because i have found a Belsen connection that might interest you in terms of validating your dreams.

MURAT

The main point is that it says there is absolutely no evidence that Murat is connected, but they do say he was  " a most convenient patsy".  I don't know what patsy means but guess it is similar to 'scapegoat', which kind of follows.  They do say earlier in document that he got a tip off to wipe his hard drive though BUT this was more to do with narcotics connections it seems then this particular crime.  I guess they are simply saying they have no evidence to say he's involved - which is why your dream about him digging and burying evidence might still be important to follow up on.  They also say he does not have a glass eye but does have a blind eye.  Does he have to wear a contact lense for that eye to help his vision or is he totally blind in that eye or even does he wear a lense for the other eye.  I have one friend who is blind in one eye and wears a lense for the other..

Meanwhile so many of your dreams point to him.  I guess he didn't quite appreciate what a mess he was getting himself into!  Being british, he would perhaps have the confidence - if only on british soil/territory to tell the british intelligence and police what he DOES know.   Whilst he remains in portugal he is stuck in a rut that is for sure.  It might be something as simple as telling what he knows about Malinka... however, because you brian think he's essentially got himself in a mess, I think he should be somehow brought back to the UK so he has enough protection and security to tell everyone what he knows..Murat is in fact our best bet because anyone above him is untouchable (so it seems) I guess thought that aint gonna happen if this document is to be believed?

BUTTERFLY/BESLAN CONNECTION 

Towards the very end of the document (before biog info) it mentions quite clearly the Belsen connection I leave it for you all to read as I don't want to be the one to rewrite explosive stuff (literally and metaphorically).  Meanwhile Brian wrote:

"tattoo - look for butterfly -- he has it, Besln School - Russia, they are in Portugal, human trafficking, stop, 49, M"

We've found the butterfly and it does connect to russia but given the belsen news in the document we know that really this connect us back to Europe - I can't say more as again I don't want to be the one to rewrite.

PHOTOS OF MADELAINE PRE-ABDUCTION

Photos of Madelaine were intercepted before she was taken to an email address in Belgium.  They did not realise the relevance till after she was taken.  

Question: I wonder if one of the pictures was taken by the man next to our bald man (thought to be D Marcellus Payne) hiding behind the climbing frame?  As this picture originate from the Maccann website, the investigators should be able to get a date of when the picture was taken.  They think the pictures that were emailed to belgium were taken on 29th/30th April.  I also wonder whether he connects to the chain of events that lead to them discovering a smuggeling operation of kids from brzil and sao paolo

MAN AND WOMAN

They also say there was a team of a man and woman (like you drew in very first DD on this case) so let us assume those initials stand for those people although they seem to be so connected to a dark underworld we will probably never find out who they really were/are.  That is unless someone can interview the bar staff where they supposedly got off the boat for drinks and supplies (again read document for this detail).

WHY MADELAINE?  BECAUSE SHE WAS THE RIGHT PROFILE FOR THE MAN THAT WANTED HER SADLY....

It also says as they stopped off for a petrol top up at the infamous garage - THAT they asked for 15 hours including a 3 hour reserve, and DCCB (Direccao Central de Combate ao Banditismo, part of the Judicial Police in Lisbon) in Lisbon cut it back to 12 once "the magnitude of the BLUNDER in selecting Madelaine became apparent."

That these people plus another man drove to a safe house within 25 mile radius of Valdepenas, in the Toledo Region of Spain, south of Madrid where shallow graves can be seen from satellite :(

THE BLUNDER

I think the blunder on surface is obvious - that the Maccanns were tenacious enough to use all their contacts and muscle to try to get their daughter back and create one massive stink - far beyond what the snatcher and local police anticipated when he put an order simply for any 5 year old english speaking blond child.... little did he realise he picked the wrong child.

The sub scene I think in terms of BLUNDER apart from political storm between countries is also possibly because of the freemason connection - this possible connection is actually not that important now but more interesting to see the masonic link once more.  I now deduce that possibly the mason connection is simply that they are trying to help get her back for the maccanns. If you google the supposed author of the document , you'll find he's part of an international intelligence group that use the masonic eagle (white head) as their logo?  Is that just coincidence? or do masonic orders run our world as we know it.  Probably, and so what.  Most of them are good decent people in our society.  There are of course sickos and bad apples in every walk of life.  Remember this before we place blame on a group as a whole.

ACTIVITY IN FARO REGION IN RUN UP TO 3RD MAY

This para basically informs us that Mark Warner were not made aware that several children had either been abducted or had survived abduction attempts leading up to Madeleine's abductions.

CONCLUSIONS

It seems that if she IS still in Belgium that the only way we are going to get her back is if the Belgians find and release her themselves as it has been clearly explained that to go in and save would not be possible.  

I am therefore sad to conclude that this document if genuine paints a picture even darker than I ever imagined and really its now up to the politicians and police and whoever to fight it out and negotiate behind closed doors.

xxx

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I still have no word on that document, it does seem an awful lot of work to be a fake, but it's possible that it is.

Will post your comments too.

Brian


Hi Brian,

I've just read the letter from Anna and think she should phone private investigators in Spain and share her info. Doesn't matter what they think about this sort of information, I think any bit of it is very useful to bring Madeleine home. And of course we are talking about Madeleine. The little girl deserve to be with her family.
Private investigators in Spain tel: 0034 902 300 213

Brian, thank you very much for your good job.

Marina

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Hi Marina, yes I agree, she should call them.

Brian


Hi Brian,

 

Here is some latest news on Madeliene, not sure if there is any truth in these reports ( I suppose the idea is to sell papers, and that does not always involve reporting the truth), this has not been reported on the news channels, thought i'd send it to you anyway.  Do you think its possible that she has now been moved, and could be in Morrocco?  Strange that they are now receiving help from the Maffia, especially as we've already made that conection here on your site!

 

Still praying for her to be found,

 

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Hi, I still think she is in PDL, and if she was moved not sure how they were able to do it without being noticed.

Wherever she is, whoever has her, I think it's about time she was returned...and I'm sure there are still ways to do this while remaining anonymous.

 

Brian


Hi, Brian

It is really too bad that some people send you negative (to use a polite word) e-mails and try to tear you down. I loved that quote someone sent you: "First they will ignore you, then they will laugh at you, then they will fight you...and then you will win!"

I think that the reason that you are not able to ignore the negativity completely is the same reason you care so deeply about the fate of Madeleine and other missing people: you do not have a "thick skin" to insulate you from others' suffering, the injustice or from the insults hurled at you. I cannot believe the things some people accuse you of. 

I guess you are now in the "then they will fight you" stage. Keep in mind what comes next :"and then you will win!" - and I know that to you it means that Madeleine will be found safe. "It is always darkest right before dawn."

Anyway, someone mentioned Russian mafia and "Project Butterfly" (a Russian site?), but there was no link attached, and I cannot find that particular piece of information. However, here is an article about human trafficking and sex-trade from Russia, and Portugal is mentioned. 

Remember, Malinka wiped his computers clean? That he was doing something illegal is proved by that fact alone. Child pornography? Client database?  Sex trade from Russia?

You were warned in your DD that Beslan (Chechen) criminals  are in Portugal. Chechen terrorists are known to fund their organization through human trafficking. The numbers in the article below are staggering.I do not know how all the pieces of information fit, but there sure is a lot of evil in the world. Some people (like you, Brian) care enough to look it in the eye.

 

Natasha

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Thanks, I think we all care about finding Madeleine, and we all have our own ways of showing it :)

If child pornography is legal in Russia, this might be a big clue in uncovering what's going on there...also making the names public of the people that the PJ has arrested for having/distributing child pornography could really help agencies worldwide trying to stop it.

Brian

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Brian--

I have not seen this article on your site yet:

A sacked maid seeking revenge is latest suspect over missing Madeleine McCann

A maid who is alleged to have abducted Madeleine McCann in revenge for being sacked from the holiday resort where the missing girl was staying is being investigated by Portuguese police.

The identity of the maid was e-mailed to the official website of the Prince of Wales at the end of last week. Police have confirmed that the woman had worked at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz. They have also discovered that the e-mail appeared to have been sent from a computer with an IP address in the Iberian peninsula.

Clarence House immediately informed Scotland Yard of the tip-off and forwarded the details to officers from Leicestershire police, who are leading the inquiry in Britain. The Prince and the Duchess of Cornwall issued a statement soon after Madeleine went missing saying that they were following the case “closely and with deep concern”.

A source close to Madeleine’s parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, said: “We hope that the police will follow up any information given to them. Kate and Gerry are encouraged by anything that focuses on finding Madeleine.”